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A Conversation with John B.
Alexander
(The complete Flip interview, with only minor edits,
not found in the book)
Note: [Jared assures John that no names will be published.
Anything that John says of any particular person,
would not be published because it is not the nature
of the book. He offers to send John a copy of the
transcript prior to publication as an assurance and
John says he would like that.]
A decorated veteran of multiple wars, retired Colonel
John B. Alexander, Ph.D. is a pioneer and world-renowned
expert on non-lethal defense. Since developing the
concept at Los Alamos National Laboratory, he has
led numerous studies and conferences on the topic.
Colonel Alexander has served as a consultant for NATO
and for many offices of the U.S. government. He is
the author of Future War: Non-Lethal Weapons in Modern
Warfare and Winning the War: Advanced Weapons, Strategies
and Concepts for the Post-9/11 World, and he coauthored
the book The Warrior’s Edge: Front-line Strategies
for Victory on the Corporate Battlefield.
We asked John how warfare has changed in his lifetime.
“During World War II, everyone in the nation
knew there was a war going on. Gas was rationed; food
was rationed; metal was collected. A whole host of
things were done to support the military. The entire
population was actively involved. War today, unless
you happen to have a family member deployed, is little
more than an inconvenience and an occasional news
bulletin. People in the military and law enforcement
are intimately involved, sure, but the rest of the
nation is not. The general public is seeing price
spikes at the gas pump. We’re going through
long lines at the airport and metal detectors at some
other places. But that’s it.”
Is this because a war on terror is fundamentally
different than previous wars? John responds, “The
president keeps saying, ‘We’re at war
with terror.’ But terrorism is a mechanism for
causing conflict or being involved in it. How do you
try to focus forces against a means? I don’t
think you can do that.
“The nature of warfare has changed. It has
changed at a fundamental level – that of definition.
He who defines the war wins. Unfortunately, from the
beginning Bin Laden and his followers have been doing
a better job of defining the war in terms that are
acceptable to their audience. Meanwhile, we have discovered
that most of our own rationale – or at least
the public rhetoric – for initiating war in
Iraq was, in fact, wrong.
“But even before those errors became clear,
some of us were raising flags and saying, ‘War
in the Middle East doesn’t make sense. You are
creating generations of adversaries.”
What are the fundamental issues? “There are
so many dynamics that are poorly understood by the
general public. For one thing, Americans associate
nationality with geographic boundaries. We need to
remember that geographical boundaries in the Middle
East were established at the end of the Ottoman Empire
– by Europeans, for Europeans – and did
not take into account things like ethnography and
social issues. We drew the lines, but we didn’t
bother to see where the tribes were when we drew them.
Many of the resulting countries are nation states
that have no rationale for existence. The whole notion
of the nation state is anachronistic.
“Americans also need to understand that there
are value differences. We tend to think that everyone
in the world wants the same things we do. We believe
that everyone is like us; they just happen to live
some place else. We believe that this is an economically-based
world, and if everybody just gets enough goodies,
everybody will be happy. ‘He who dies with the
most toys wins.’
“There is a totally different view out there,
in Islam fundamentalists and others who say, ‘No.
There are spiritually dimensions to the world.’
The things that they aspire to aren’t necessarily
more physical goodies. If you want proof of that,
look at the terrorists of 9/11 and other incidents.
The people who were involved were not the ‘have-nots.’
Quite the opposite, most of them were well-educated
upper middle class or upper class folks. They had
been in the United States, and they rejected our values.
“At the core level, this is a values issue,
and that isn’t understood at all. We really
do have competing and incompatible value systems.
What makes this even more challenging is that, as
Americans, we no longer know who we are. What we have
assumed to be the core values of our country are,
in fact, shifting rapidly and dramatically.
“Where I think we’re really off base
is the notion that we can go in and impose democracy.
That we can set it up, and it will take hold and be
so overwhelmingly popular that it will just continue
to grow. That if Iraq works as a functioning democracy,
everybody else in the region is going to say, ‘We
want to do that too.’ I argue that democracy
is a terribly complex form of government. We’ve
been at it for over two hundred years and are far
from getting all the kinks worked out in our own country.
It’s simplistic to think that we can wave a
wand over some other country and have democracy instantly
work there.”
But America entered into the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan
anyway. Why? “Who could stop it?” counters
John. “The public? Did we have the necessary
information? Is the public sufficiently well-educated
to support activities and understand complex outcomes?
I don’t think we are. I don’t think our
schools do a very good job of teaching things like
history and geography. More importantly, they don’t
teach people how to think critically. The media has
instilled in the American public this notion that
the most complex issues can be reduced to twenty-second
sounds bytes and resolved in an hour. The world is
just far more complex than that, and we’re not
used to dealing with complexity.”
What about our elected officials? Isn’t that
their job? “There are folks in office who are
bright and innovative, but bureaucrats – even
high-level decision makers – get into position
by not making mistakes. And the most effective way
to not make mistakes is to not take chances. So politicians
look for the path of least resistance, instead of
looking at facts critically and devising new processes.
“I think the Bush administration has tended
to confuse dissent with disloyalty. They do not want
to hear conflicting views. People who have voiced
opposing perspectives are just summarily moved out.
I am concerned about the ideology that guides decisions
now. We’ve got some folks in power who think
very simplistically – good guys and bad guys.
I think the NeoCon thing probably is real, and I wouldn’t
have thought that initially. The problem is ideology-driven
thinking by appointees with political axes to grind
or positions to protect.”
Is there a way for America to win this war? Or is
Iraq another Vietnam? “We didn’t ‘lose’
Vietnam,” John responds. “We agreed to
go away. Congress pulled the plug and just said, ‘You
don’t have any more money. You can’t fight
because of lack of funds.’ That’s how
we got out. I strongly suspect we’re going to
see something similar emerge in Iraq.”
And what is likely to come after that? Will we continue
to draw lines and fight wars between nations? John
predicts, “The delineations of the future will
be based on belief systems, not on geography or happenstance
of birth. Information technology is already changing
how people group together. The ability to communicate
almost anyplace in the world can bring people together
for common causes that transcend geographic boundaries
and nationality. People are increasingly finding that
they must sort through their own conflicting beliefs
and base their actions upon those choices, rather
than doing ‘what has always been done’
or ‘what everyone else is doing.”
Hopefully, as the world becomes smaller and we begin
to act more consciously upon our personal beliefs,
rather than out of blind loyalty to country, we will
relinquish our habit of dividing the world into “us”
and “them.” When all the world is “us,”
there is no one left to fight. And that is a flip
that can come none too soon.
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