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A Conversation with
Mark Bryan
(The complete Flip interview, with only minor edits,
not found in the book)
http://www.markbryan.com/PressKit/bio.html
Mark Bryan (www.markbryan.com)
is an author, consultant, speaker, trainer and creativity
expert. With Julia Cameron, he helped develop The
Artist’s Way, a course that has helped over
2 million participants realize their creative potential.
Applying the same principles of creativity and innovation
to the business world, Mark subsequently penned the
best-selling book The Artist’s Way at Work:
Riding the Dragon. Another collaboration with Julia
Cameron resulted in the book Money Drunk / Money Sober
(90 Days to Financial Freedom). Mark has also published
The Prodigal Father: Reuniting Fathers and Their Children
and Codes of Love: How to Rethink Your Family and
Remake Your Life and created the Showtime feature
film Annie O.
In The Prodigal Father and Codes of Love, Mark offers
insights into reclaiming our lives and our relationships
with our families. In these books, he shares many
personal challenges and triumphs. We asked what it
feels like to be in the midst of such turmoil and
what provides the turning point. “Sometimes
we need to get a system completely out of equilibrium,”
Mark replied, “in order for it to reorganize.
I’ve experienced that personally. Whatever we’re
struggling with – drinking, drugs, troubled
families, flunking out of school – we often
can’t hear anybody else over the recordings
in our heads: ‘I’m a failure. The world
sucks. Life is meaningless.” All of that nihilistic
existential stuff. Many people think it’s only
them; they’re the only ones stuck there. That’s
the trap. It feels like a place they can’t get
out of. But that’s not true.
“Once you finally sense that something is wrong,
that self-sense leads you to the next level. You get
your ideas and you follow up on those ideas. You enter
into an oscillating process of intense, concentrated
effort followed by letting go. When I work with someone
in a situation like this I try to a) remind them that
they’re not alone, b) give them some basic life
skills training, and c) let them know what they need
to succeed – a sense of humor, the care of at
least one loving adult who sees them and has some
information to impart, and high expectations.”
And how do you approach troubled organizations? “We
need input from all levels of the organization,”
says Mark. “The first thing I want to do is
break down the ‘us and them.’ If management
loses labor, it’s over. If labor capsizes management,
it’s over, too. So we really need to balance
both of those perspectives and get everyone on the
same page.
“I don’t think there’s ever going
to be a completely flat organization. People need
a leader to provide direction. But communication going
up a hierarchical ladder tends to be skewed positive;
the more risk of embarrassment or shame I sense, the
less likely I am to tell the unvarnished truth. Conversely,
those who are in power tend to obfuscate the truth
from those who are not in power; they don’t
want to give anything away. Not that I mean to blame
the people who’ve made it to the top. They didn’t
invent the structure. They just said, “How can
I win?” And they went about doing that. But
the net result can be a sort of institutionalized
stupidity.
“Intelligence was once defined as the ability
to overcome obstacles. I think the danger of reductionist
thinking is that we can break something down too much
and lose the big picture, which is disastrous. Look
at America’s Big Three automakers. They’re
all basically gone as car companies and just surviving
on their financial organizations. How did they get
out-innovated? They went the reductionist way, I think,
to the degree that they cut off their workers’
input. They could have had a million people all acting
as radar for new ideas and innovations. Instead they
invested in a hierarchy that separated the minds of
the workers from the minds of management. They institutionalized
a structure that ensured their own demise.”
Is it too late for these companies to reinvent themselves?
“The institutional forces against truth and
change can be extraordinary. Most change efforts are
imposed from the outside by consultants stating, ‘Alright,
we’re going to reengineer this corporation and
change everything.’ They set themselves up failure
because everyone in the organization is going to respond,
‘Wait a minute; I’ve put a lot of work
into this.’
“Most of what gets dubbed ‘change effort’
is really just another way for the existing management
to let go of workers and outsource. And the more companies
do that, the more likely they will go under. The company
may experience short-term gains. But at some point,
they find they’ve eliminated so much of their
institutional memory and creativity that the remaining
employees have become conservative; they don’t
want to risk even a good idea, because they don’t
want to be noticed for the next pink slip. So the
company begins to die of attrition. An organization
is either moving toward trust or toward fear. If it’s
moving toward trust, it’s an open and potentially
creative place. If it’s moving toward fear,
it’s dead.”
So how do you help organizations build that trust
and create positive change? Mark takes a low-key,
collaborative approach. “What I do is go in
and ask, ‘What’s it like to work here?
What are your successes? What are the most important
things you’ve accomplished?’ And then
we build on their successes through creativity and
innovation. Creativity is the ability to find solutions,
newer ways of doing things that are equal to or better
than the ones that came before. It’s that contagious
spark of ‘Hey! This is a great idea!’
Innovation is combining the creative idea with your
skills and knowledge to bring something real to the
marketplace.”
Does Mark see a flip taking place in the world? “I
believe in the human spirit. For every act of selfishness,
there is at least one corresponding act of altruism.
Certainly there’s a lot more altruism than murder
out there, contrary to what our media and leaders
might have us believe. We’re not allowed to
see half of what’s going on, and when we do
it’s all skewed and spun. But I think we’ll
start to see a shift from the short-sighted conservatism
that is so prevalent today to a more far-thinking
and inclusive view. An example of a more far-sighted
conservative view might be something like, ‘Let’s
provide all kids the best education we can as early
as we can, so we can keep them out of prisons and
mental hospitals as adults. They will lead better
lives and they will contribute to society instead
of becoming a burden.’
“A truly egalitarian society is difficult to
build in a world where natural gifts differ so markedly
from one person to the next. But I believe that the
only thing we can and should do is to continue the
attempt. To what nobler aim could we apply our creativity?”
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The Flip, by Jared Rosen and David Rippe, illuminates
a clear path to a vibrant enlightened world where
millions of people already live and thrive. It describes
in vivid detail and real examples evidence of an upside
down world in decay and a Right Side Up world of authentic
beings bright with possibility.
The Flip is an owner’s manual for the twenty-first
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