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A Conversation with Rusty
Schweickart
(The complete Flip interview, with only minor edits,
not found in the book)
In 1969, Russell Lewis “Rusty” Schweickart
(www.b612foundation.org)
spent 10 days orbiting the Earth in Apollo 9, the
first manned test of the famed lunar module. He holds
two degrees in aeronautics/astronautics from MIT and
has been recognized by NASA with both their Distinguished
Service and Exceptional Service medals. Rusty has
held many corporate and government positions. He is
an Esalen Institute lecturer and founder of the B612
Foundation, which champions proactive detection and
deflection programs to protect our planet from future
asteroid impacts.
Many children dream of becoming an astronaut when
they grow up. We asked Rusty how he became one. “Ever
since I can remember, I’ve been interested in
astronomy and in space,” Rusty recalled. “But
it was when I read about John Glenn’s mission
that I made a genuine commitment to go for it. That
was really the first time in my life that I had ever
set my sights on something that I wanted to do and
just said, ‘Give it everything you’ve
got.’ I did and, luckily, I was selected for
the space program. On Apollo 9, I was a lunar module
pilot. That was the third flight in the Apollo series
and the first flight in the lunar module. We flew
ten days in earth orbit and I was lucky enough to
go outside to test the autonomous backpack –
another first.”
We wondered what it feels like to be outside of the
Earth’s atmosphere. “Getting out of the
atmosphere doesn’t ‘feel like’ anything,”
Rusty clarified. “What feels like something
is when you reach orbital speed. You’re quite
literally falling all the way around the Earth –
that’s what weightlessness is. The fact that
there’s no atmosphere outside is actually irrelevant
to your experience. But it feels very interesting.
I remember thinking, ‘This is the first time
that life has been able to leave the confines of its
planetary womb and experience weightlessness.’”
We asked Rusty what else he thought about while in
orbit. “There’s something about circling
the earth every ninety minutes that makes you realize
that – in spite of the fact that it is a big
place – in the scheme of things, Earth is pretty
small and fragile. By definition, we’re all
connected. We depend on the same atmosphere, the same
water system, and the same capability to provide food,
shelter and all the other necessities of life. We’re
all in the same boat, and we’ve got to take
care of it.”
Those first photographs of Earth from space had a
similar impact on many people. They helped to bring
about a new environmental consciousness. We asked
Rusty about the continuing impact of such images.
“Today you can’t open any kind of a magazine,
book or newspaper without seeing shots of the earth,”
he mused, “and we’ve got things like Google
Earth on our computers. People are no longer in the
position – as they were in the late sixties
and early seventies – where these images are
novel. Now they’re completely ordinary. So how
much continuing inspiration these views of the Earth
offer, in terms of protecting the environment, is
difficult to say. On the other hand, there is a completely
different sense in people today that the earth is
a limited place.”
Does Rusty see a transformation occurring? “I
think people recognize the importance of our major
environmental issues. Unfortunately, we’re now
into the tougher part of the overall environmental
consciousness. Unless some new technologies come along
to suddenly make everything easy, we have to start
changing our lifestyles. People don’t like to
do that. The developing world wants the opportunity
to live as comfortably as the developed world has
been. And in the developed world, we want to live
even more comfortably than we do.”
We asked Rusty if he sees space – or space
programs – offering any solutions. “Every
form of communication already has a space component
to it,” he mused. “Hardly anything happens
on earth today without some contribution by near-earth
satellites – communication, weather, tracking...
Space is very much a part of the economy of our current
society. But, where we go from here is a different
matter.
“I suspect that there will be some additional
benefits that come from what might be called ‘deep
space activity.’ Certainly, we can learn a lot
about the nature and origins of life. In terms of
utilitarian use of deep space, that’s still
an interesting question. There are untapped resources
in space, from sunlight to ore-rich asteroids.
“Ultimately, the thing I’m interested
and involved in right now is the potential for protecting
the earth from asteroid impacts. Impacts in the past
may have allowed mammals to get a leg up on dinosaurs
by wiping them out, but now we’re the ones who
would be wiped out by a large asteroid impact.
We inquired about the odds of such a catastrophic
event. Rusty pulled no punches. “It’s
100 percent. There’s no question that the earth
will be hit by an asteroid. The questions are how
frequently, and what size, and how far in advance
will we know? If we have detection systems in place
and properly-tuned, we can know far enough in advance
to deflect that asteroid and avoid catastrophe. But
whether we’re smart enough or determined enough
to do that is an open question. So, that’s where
I’m putting my energies at the moment.”
Does Rusty envision humans living and working in
space? “Economics plays its role in all environments.
Gravity will always exact a very high price for getting
people from the planet’s surface up into space.
We’re unlikely to ever see mass migration from
Earth; it would be much too expensive. That is not
a solution to environmental challenges here.
“But once two people are up there, a man and
a woman, they can produce a new society. So, there
will be humans in space, without question. We’re
going to be able to create artificial environments
in space which will keep people alive. How pleasant
the environment will or can be… that’s
a pretty serious challenge. The same laws of gravity
and economics apply to things as well as people. If
we want to have a rich society in space, we’d
better be developing the resources out there and not
counting on hauling them up from the Earth. People
can mine asteroids, for instance, and use the materials
to manufacture things like silicon solar cells in
space.”
If the vast majority of us who are born on Earth
will have to live out our lives here, then we need
to learn how to do so peacefully and sustainably.
We asked Rusty if he sees that pressure leading humanity
to a new phase in its evolution. “Certainly,
such pressure would cause any life form – be
it an amoeba or a society – to reach out for
new footholds and new territory. That evolutionary
force is built into nature. The pressure we feel today
in terms of limited Earth resources may very well
lead to life developing off the planet as well as
on it.
“In the long run, the biggest threat that humanity
faces is itself; we have not yet learned how to resolve
conflict without violence. We must come together to
resolve the issues of our times. The earth, hopefully,
will always be a place where humanity thrives.”
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